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		<title>By: 2009 Natie Awards Announced for Reporting &#171; That&#8217;s Right Nate</title>
		<link>http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/10/07/arne-duncan-clears-himself-in-student-death/#comment-6618</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2009 Natie Awards Announced for Reporting &#171; That&#8217;s Right Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: That&#8217;s Right Nate &#171; Arne D&#39;s Dream World</title>
		<link>http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/10/07/arne-duncan-clears-himself-in-student-death/#comment-6161</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: thatsrightnate</title>
		<link>http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/10/07/arne-duncan-clears-himself-in-student-death/#comment-6145</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, I&#039;ll think about it.  Education is odd though.  That&#039;s why Gingirch, Obama, and Sharpton are all promoting the same plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, I&#8217;ll think about it.  Education is odd though.  That&#8217;s why Gingirch, Obama, and Sharpton are all promoting the same plan.</p>
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		<title>By: dotlizard</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well -- weird thought here -- maybe liberals would sympathize with the position that privatizing (un-socializing) education can be a Very Bad Thing, and do a great deal of damage to children living in unfortunate socioeconomic circumstances? They&#039;re big on socialized this and that - education, health care, fire care, police care, road care, library care, national freakin&#039; parks,  - you name it, they wanna socialize the shit out of it. 

I could always take a crack at it, I don&#039;t have to worry about ruining any reputation for brilliantly exposing the true awesomeness of the much-maligned right wing and all :). They could torture me and I&#039;d never admit where I borrowed the research from! But they&#039;re against torture, so ... hahaha!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8212; weird thought here &#8212; maybe liberals would sympathize with the position that privatizing (un-socializing) education can be a Very Bad Thing, and do a great deal of damage to children living in unfortunate socioeconomic circumstances? They&#8217;re big on socialized this and that &#8211; education, health care, fire care, police care, road care, library care, national freakin&#8217; parks,  &#8211; you name it, they wanna socialize the shit out of it. </p>
<p>I could always take a crack at it, I don&#8217;t have to worry about ruining any reputation for brilliantly exposing the true awesomeness of the much-maligned right wing and all <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . They could torture me and I&#8217;d never admit where I borrowed the research from! But they&#8217;re against torture, so &#8230; hahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: thatsrightnate</title>
		<link>http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/10/07/arne-duncan-clears-himself-in-student-death/#comment-6143</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hadn&#039;t really thought about it.  I do think I&#039;d be going into a buzz saw of mainstream liberal sentiment there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t really thought about it.  I do think I&#8217;d be going into a buzz saw of mainstream liberal sentiment there.</p>
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		<title>By: dotlizard</title>
		<link>http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/10/07/arne-duncan-clears-himself-in-student-death/#comment-6142</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you considering posting this stuff on DailyKos? If it&#039;s promoted correctly there, it might get more attention?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you considering posting this stuff on DailyKos? If it&#8217;s promoted correctly there, it might get more attention?</p>
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		<title>By: dotlizard</title>
		<link>http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/10/07/arne-duncan-clears-himself-in-student-death/#comment-6141</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;big money to be made in education&quot; - those words send a cold chill down my spine. With our local school PTA starting out each school year with a budget deficit in 6 figures (for a middle school, an elementary school might start out with just a $30K defecit), the parents, teachers and students must raise that much money, or there will be no music teacher - no cultural arts teacher - nothing but the basics, and students in middle school wishing to take electives must pay materials fees, putting some classes out of reach of low income families. 

Last year the school had to raise $50K in addition to equip a computer lab. They didn&#039;t make it, maybe this year. 

I&#039;ve not yet heard of any ambitious restructuring in our district, but if there is funding to be had, I would fully expect them to go through whatever hoops necessary to get the maximum funding. But then, I live in California, where we&#039;ve recently attained the honor of placing 50th in the nation in per-student spending:  

And I quote: &quot;Public education is being decimated. In late May, Governor Schwarzenegger announced revisions to his May budget proposal that include $1.6 billion in cuts to the state’s education system for the 2008-2009 school year and $4.2 billion in cuts for 2009-2010.

These reductions in spending, coming on top of $11.6 billion in cuts already passed by the state government this year, will make California the last state in the US in terms of funding-per-pupil. They translate to roughly $3,000 in less money for every student in the state.&quot;

So this is a flawed program - it needs to put less focus on the feel-good &quot;reward the star students&quot; and more on &quot;give everyone an education.&quot;  And this needs to be talked about by more than just you and me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;big money to be made in education&#8221; &#8211; those words send a cold chill down my spine. With our local school PTA starting out each school year with a budget deficit in 6 figures (for a middle school, an elementary school might start out with just a $30K defecit), the parents, teachers and students must raise that much money, or there will be no music teacher &#8211; no cultural arts teacher &#8211; nothing but the basics, and students in middle school wishing to take electives must pay materials fees, putting some classes out of reach of low income families. </p>
<p>Last year the school had to raise $50K in addition to equip a computer lab. They didn&#8217;t make it, maybe this year. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not yet heard of any ambitious restructuring in our district, but if there is funding to be had, I would fully expect them to go through whatever hoops necessary to get the maximum funding. But then, I live in California, where we&#8217;ve recently attained the honor of placing 50th in the nation in per-student spending:  </p>
<p>And I quote: &#8220;Public education is being decimated. In late May, Governor Schwarzenegger announced revisions to his May budget proposal that include $1.6 billion in cuts to the state’s education system for the 2008-2009 school year and $4.2 billion in cuts for 2009-2010.</p>
<p>These reductions in spending, coming on top of $11.6 billion in cuts already passed by the state government this year, will make California the last state in the US in terms of funding-per-pupil. They translate to roughly $3,000 in less money for every student in the state.&#8221;</p>
<p>So this is a flawed program &#8211; it needs to put less focus on the feel-good &#8220;reward the star students&#8221; and more on &#8220;give everyone an education.&#8221;  And this needs to be talked about by more than just you and me.</p>
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		<title>By: thatsrightnate</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It truly isn&#039;t.

While it doesn&#039;t cost the student&#039;s family to attend a charter school, public schools and charters compete for the same tax dollars.  The less desirable students have to go somewhere.  Charter schools will tell you they have to take everybody, but that is rarely the case.   While some advocates are extremely idealistic others favor charters simply to attempt to crush teacher&#039;s unions or because there is big money to be made in education.  Chicago&#039;s UNO charters just got $96 million from the state of Illinois today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It truly isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>While it doesn&#8217;t cost the student&#8217;s family to attend a charter school, public schools and charters compete for the same tax dollars.  The less desirable students have to go somewhere.  Charter schools will tell you they have to take everybody, but that is rarely the case.   While some advocates are extremely idealistic others favor charters simply to attempt to crush teacher&#8217;s unions or because there is big money to be made in education.  Chicago&#8217;s UNO charters just got $96 million from the state of Illinois today.</p>
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		<title>By: dotlizard</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure I agree with the &quot;difficult&quot; vs. &quot;privileged&quot; differentiation. Since it does not cost the student family to attend a charter school, it is still open to all students, correct? 

I suppose you&#039;re right, children from lower socioeconomic levels will tend to face more academic challenges and therefore the school populations will be divided mainly along those lines (except for the few highly motivated kids who would have overcome their backgrounds anyway). So this ambitious and idealistic program stands to do more harm than good, in rewarding restructuring. 

The school districts will do whatever they have to do to get funding - they are desperate. 

So ... this isn&#039;t getting much MSM attention at all, is it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with the &#8220;difficult&#8221; vs. &#8220;privileged&#8221; differentiation. Since it does not cost the student family to attend a charter school, it is still open to all students, correct? </p>
<p>I suppose you&#8217;re right, children from lower socioeconomic levels will tend to face more academic challenges and therefore the school populations will be divided mainly along those lines (except for the few highly motivated kids who would have overcome their backgrounds anyway). So this ambitious and idealistic program stands to do more harm than good, in rewarding restructuring. </p>
<p>The school districts will do whatever they have to do to get funding &#8211; they are desperate. </p>
<p>So &#8230; this isn&#8217;t getting much MSM attention at all, is it?</p>
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